Love, Hate, Painfully Long Pause, and Propaganda

Where to start with this six part documentary about Love, Hate (…painfully long pause…) and Propaganda ?

Let’s not start with the obvious (the “brooding hipster” host), that would be too easy.

Instead, let’s talk about how this doesn’t seem to be much different then any other documentary about World War 2 that I’ve seen, except instead of one or two boring hours this docu-series goes on for six boring hours. Is this really necessary, I mean REALLY? The content is interesting, but that doesn’t give any credit to the producers because the quality is lacking. This could easily be something I watched in history class years ago when I was in highschool. The same black and white clips, the same experts with accents from England sitting in front a boring grey backdrop.

Speaking of backdrops, George is standing in a set that looks like it’ s the same set Diane Buckner stands in front of on the Dragon’s Den. I wonder why they choose George? His young voice seems like a mismatch for this particular topic, and it seems to be the only difference between this documentary and the one’s I’ve watched in highschool. I chuckle to myself as I think, is George learning about the war as he narrates ? It must be hard for him to sound like an authoritative figure on this subject, when we watch him try his hand at comedy five days a week on The Hour. I turn to Twitter to gain real-time perspectives on George’s hosting abilities, most of the feedback is good, but this one Tweet made me laugh –

“Is anyone else watching Love, Hate and Propoganda doc on CBC hosted by @strombo? So creepy. Especially since @strombo‘s voice is so calm…”

Looks like other people were taken aback by his casual, laid back delivery.

At least he tries to look serious.

His lack of authority summons up a kind of  “learn a-long with George” feeling, but then again he is just the narrator and he has a nice sounding voice. George explains why he signed on in an interview stating:

I initially didn’t really see where I could bring something different, because so many documentaries have been done really well before. But then the idea came of dealing with propaganda, and how the war was sold, and how the world came not just to the brink of madness but to a colossal state of madness, and it was all through messaging.

Really now? Do you really think the other documentaries didn’t pursue the topic of the propaganda used to sway a country to want to exterminate a whole race of people? I would say, most of the documentaries heavily focus on this fact because it is the most unbelievable, unimaginable thing to fathom that Hitler could persuade people to commit such heinous crimes. That one man could gain such mind control over a nation to begin one of the most brutal genocides in history. The mind control aspect of this war is in fact much more interesting than any other aspect that pertains to the WWII many would argue. Has George been hiding away with Anne Frank?

George goes on to say “There was just a lot of stuff I didn’t know.” Yeah,  no kidding.

90 comments:

  1. Allanjoined April 10, 2009
    Posted May 25, 2010 at 3:37 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I think we all agree that it’s a good idea to deliver information in a manner that can be grasped by a younger audience.
    And that audio-visual materials are very effective.
    In fact, the entire educational curriculum from grade one to bachelors degree should already be available on line in Oxford, Harvard, Ryerson, Carlton, McGill, Stanford, M.I.T., Montessorie versions.
    But,
    Six hours of that tiresome horror show was way too long to deliver a few basic points.
    Just how many hours do you think it took before one of those teenagers said to themselves “I think we get the picture”? For myself, two hours of George reading that script out loud and I was saying “just shoot me”.
    And it’s important to remember that teenagers will say just about anything they think adults want to hear just to get them off their backs. Especially to people in positions of authority. Like, CBC people.
    When I was a teen, it was always a special treat when the teacher resorted to rolling in the 16 mm projector for the showing of a black & white movie about Frontenac or something. Such a treat! Anything, even looking out the window, beat having to pretend to be staring at those boring, worked-up teachers.

  2. Anonymous
    Posted May 25, 2010 at 3:15 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I think it’s important to remember who the target audience is. When talking to a sixteen year old about the war he asked, “WWII, that’s the one with Stalin right.” Maybe the doc had its problems, but I think overall the intent was there and if you ask teens, which I did, they loved it…so, I guess success is subjective. But! You’re definitely right about George…it should have been someone else.

    • sucrésalé
      Posted June 14, 2010 at 9:08 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      I agree. A lot of the comments on this site don`t take into account that we`re looking at this from an older, more educated (life and school) perspective. How many times have I rolled my eyes at my cousin`s teen shows, but for her it’s perfect, interesting and entertaining. This doc was geared to another age group. One that doesn`t know everything (“everything” as in as much as some of the massively-brained posters here know) and that the info is new and fresh for them.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted April 20, 2010 at 3:13 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    If you go to the site, this production is being touted as a definitive work for this and the next generations regarding this topic. “Teacher” inserts DVD and points “student” to link and a nice PC solution for a messy topic. This is the future of education.

  4. Glen
    Posted April 11, 2010 at 8:10 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Another trite CBC production about how bad we were in WW2. I loved the part on Hiroshima, somehow I knew it was going to sink into psuedo-guilt-ridden-drivel about some poor mother and her dead child. There was nothing new or interesting in this “documentary” all of it had been covered before, in great detail.

    I don’t think for a second that George whats- his-name with the ear ring has clue one about Second World War history, past what his research team and Google did for him.

    Oh, wait, I will have to cut this short…”Little Mosque on the Prairie” is on. Cya.

  5. Conrad Black minor esq
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 11:37 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Ambiguity at best eh poongirl!

  6. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 10:02 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I’m very complemented that my post has 78 comments – maybe we can minus about 6 of those comments if we don’t count my own ! I feel good that my posts are getting the most comments :) Maybe cause I only write about hot button topics.

    My last comment was referencing that some of you Anon’s were arguing and I was trying to say that we all have different view points on George, The Doc, CBC etc. No one should have to get out of the kitchen if they can’t take the heat in here, because they CAN handle the heat and I love them disagreeing with everyone !

    I wanted to say as well, that I also have inner conflicts and I learn a lot from the comments on this page. For example, I was trying to think of some of the bad writing from the doc that I was referencing in my post. Then someone wrote “Moussolini looked SHARP in his military outfit”. I remembered I had heard that and thought it was so funny and I was glad someone wrote it on here.

    All in all most people are agreeing with me and I like the fact that some people are not.

    • harPoon Seal
      Posted March 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      For chrissakes, poonGirl can you at least frig around with your prose style when you post fake comments, so we can imagine it might not necessarily be you?

      That’s bush league Teamking.

  7. Poongirl started it!!!
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 8:36 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    76 comments on your post should make you happy Poongirl,isn’t that the partial objective?If fingers are pointing they are at you Poongirl because of the topic of your views!Don’t insult those posting who have actually given u a hidden complement by responding.Its your fault,u started it Poon.

  8. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 6:34 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Let’s not fight Anonymous people ! Some people will like the WWII doc and some won’t. Some will like George and some will not !

    I feel the same way at times. Sometimes he impresses me and sometimes not.

    Let’s wait till the second installment before we rip into people like a monkey on a cupcake :)

  9. Brainwashing affects another Anon
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 4:04 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Missing the point anonymous @2:26pm,does the CBC know what your doing on your off time.
    This site is not for you if our points create a problem with your menial/brainwashed mind.The tea makers are more than clear about the mission of this site!if we are so hateful/ignorant than educate us Neanderthals,share your sweet experiences of the cbc and their employees. Unfortunately it looks like anon is just another poor Canadian living somewhere under a rock,the info CBC has spun on hitler et all is “OLD NEWS” and poor dear anon has missed out on Current world affairs.
    *If the heats too much anon@2:26 get outta the kitchen,Please and thank you!

  10. anonymous
    Posted March 10, 2010 at 2:26 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    wow, you all are a bunch of sorry haters.

  11. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Okay, I’ll welcome more comments only if the word ‘gravitas’ is not bounced around with such brutal force.

    P.S. Moussolini looked SHARP in his military outfit !

  12. Another YorkU grad
    Posted March 9, 2010 at 6:05 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    When are TeaLadies going after “CBC Personality” Michael Enright, one of this year’s Giller prize judges–a contest savagely mauled by the British judge, Victoria Glendinning, last year

  13. Jianny Carson
    Posted March 9, 2010 at 11:51 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    George has been doing the same stale act for more than a decade now. How many more shows can the CBC possibly produce with him wearing the same black clothes, the same hairstyle, the same stupid soul patch, the same “one hand in pocket, one hand gesturing while talking to the camera”, before they realize that he has all the appeal of an AIDS sandwich?

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      I would love to see Ian vs. George in a show…..a real reporter vs. a guy with attitude.

  14. Anonymous
    Posted March 9, 2010 at 10:23 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Does anyone at the CBC have the gravitas necessary to narrate this documentary? George’s patronizing manner, Mansbridge’s smirk, Wendy’s cute pixie, Jian’s flirting? Maybe Ian Hanomansing….actually, I would like to see him doing more on the CBC.

  15. Anonymous
    Posted March 9, 2010 at 9:47 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    “What an insult if CBC has to dumb down content to gain viewer ship.Perhaps they believe the world is filled with Mouth Breathing Imbeciles?!”

    According to this documentary, Hitler’s Mein Kampf described the “masses as stupid” and Goebbels believed “the people want to be bamboozled”. So is this show trying to prove their point?

    And why did I have to see George’s chest hair? Eeep!

  16. Anonymous
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 11:50 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    That’s why they’re trying to emphasize the coolness of Hitler and Mussolini – to lure the modern teenager into learning about history. “Hey look kids! Fascists were cool! Look at how they dressed!” If the compromise solution is making kids think that Hitler and Mussolini were cool in order to get them to learn about WWII, they’d be better off not knowing anything about WWII, in my opinion.

  17. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 11:36 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Maybe George thought he was hired to narrate Inglorious Basterds. “We’re Killin’ Natizzzzzzz”.

  18. I went to Private School
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 11:07 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Privilege sometimes gives you more education and knowledge,I guess some were not as lucky as I.
    Why such angst,my concern was with the content and how they decided it was so very IMPORTANT for grades 9-12 to re-learn.
    Most know teens are very aware of these awful stories in history unfortunately/fortunately.
    Even before hitting 9th grade they have learnt about most of the worlds wars!
    Youth today are far more experienced/knowledgeable as technology has given them/us a large platform to seek/stumble upon information,be it good bad or ugly!
    We as educators wish we had more on current world issues for teens not regurgitated cut and paste history.
    Children and teens are far more aware of issues than teens 10-20years ago and more than 80% of my class want to do something positive to contribute to society.Student’s and the teachers I’ve chatted with feel this special has no place in their class room and all wish that the CBC would assist in a positive way for learning.
    *We have many issues in our world that could be touched on for teens,our youth feel lost as they are not as lucky as us old folks.We were very lucky,times were easier and less complicated.My students worry about cell phones,instead of looking forward to getting their drivers licence or their first beater car!

  19. Pierre Burton forgot key word/typo
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Anonymous@ 8:59pm why not me as the voice-over, could be just as realistic as jIan ghomeshi….dont u think?

    • Mussolini looked sharp!!!!!!!
      Posted March 8, 2010 at 11:02 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Pierre wouldn’t have called them ‘knotsys’ like esteemed Humber grad George .

  20. Pierre Burton
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 10:05 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Anonymous@ 8:59pm why not me as the voice-over, just as realistic as I don’t u think?

  21. Anonymous
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 8:59 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    The CBC should have used Jian as narrator to capitalize on the rumour that Jian is the narrator of “Zeitgeist – The Movie”. The narrator of that film does sound exactly like him : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y

    • WTF????????
      Posted March 8, 2010 at 11:57 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Holy Shite!!! That sounds like Jian! Is that really him?

  22. Dumbing down insults
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 4:22 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    What an insult if CBC has to “dumb down” content to gain viewer ship.Perhaps they believe the world is filled with Mouth Breathing Imbeciles?!I see from this choice and other insulting &out dated choices the cbc has made programming look like a desperate attempt to gain viewership.

  23. 8hours @school is enough
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 2:29 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Not a1 within the age demo that CBC hopes 2impact will watch the propaganda special.Teen/tweens these days are concious of events in history and have other studies/hobbies to focus on after school.
    Most teens are sitting in school for over eight hours so if it is a program is to educate,it must be new and exciting for them to sit around the tube to learn again after a full day of education.As for it being a help to educators the CBC is delusional,most educators have taught that and want/need NEW learning tools to encourage future interest in our world! !

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 8, 2010 at 9:49 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      What the Hell kind of high school do you go to that is in class for eight hours?!? Most secondary schools operate for approx. 6.5 hours max and that includes one off period for lunch. Skip history kid, you need remedial help with mathematics!

  24. Anonymous
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 12:50 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    They came down hard on Stalin and rightly so but glorified Hitler……Stalin is called “manipulative, paranoid and ruthless ” and Ukrainian genocide is mentioned…….but Hitler is compared to a rock star? What’s up with that?

  25. Anonymous
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 10:45 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Eeeeep! Do we really need yet another discussion on a man who destroyed millions of lives and most of Europe? Could we not focus on inspiring leaders who do great things? I’m tired of the cheats, liars, murderers & psychopaths getting all the money and attention. How about a documentary on Churchill, who succeeded against all odds (& who didn’t “look Sharp” in a suit?)

  26. Anonymous
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 8:23 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I watched a little of this last week. I thought I was watching “Hitler Christ Superstar”, the praise for Hitler was so effusive. George says in not so quiet awe “He could work a crowd. LIKE NO ONE ELSE!” and Hitler is compared to a rock star in concert LOL. Also, the gay way that George pronounces Nazi – “KNOTSY”- is good for a laugh.

  27. Don't trust the CBC to educate our youth!
    Posted March 8, 2010 at 12:06 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Sad state of our world when the CBC is trying to manipulate our adult minds that we should re-teach our children/student’s are worlds that most students have studied or seen in the media.My students are sick of Hitler and sick that every time around Easter the media restarts the history about Hitler.
    Many of the writers here should work for the CBC as they TRULY could teach our Canadian youth that our world has suffered and prospered from the hands and natural forces of many!!.

  28. Anonymous
    Posted March 7, 2010 at 10:54 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    They’re revising history in order to make it suit their agenda. And they think this documentary will be some sort of teaching tool about WWII? What runaway egos all involved must have in order to have such a reckless disregard for history. It shows their arrogance to not only revise history but to want their revised version of history to be taught in schools.

  29. Anonymous
    Posted March 7, 2010 at 10:19 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I’ll give you a few examples of some of the inaccuracies, falsehoods and embellishments in the first few minutes of this documentary.

    The “Hitler won’t be photographed….no one knows what he looks like.” story. The source of this is the foreword to Heinrich Hoffmann’s 1932 picture book “The Hitler No One Knows”. It was written by Hoffmann’s son in law, head of the Hitler Youth and noted propagandist Baldur von Schirach and the CBC presented it as historical fact, not propaganda. It is in fact propaganda and can be found here at a German Propaganda Archive : http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/schirach.htm

    In the foreword, von Schirach claims “twelve years ago” which would be 1920, Hitler’s name was becoming known and “the world’s illustrated press tried to secure a picture of the Führer” and mentions “offers of substantial sums” which our narrator George translates to $20,000 and then moments later a “telegram” (a fake made by the CBC) with a significantly lower offer of $100 is shown.

    Also mentioned in the foreword is that “A major satirical magazine back then published an article titled ‘How does Hitler Look?'” which the CBC and George translate to “Everywhere the buzz is ‘What does Hitler look like?’ Even the NEWSPAPERS speculate on it.” at which point they’re showing a picture of a supposed newspaper with cartoons and no mention of it being a satirical magazine as von Schirach claimed.

    In 1920 Hitler was not well known nor was he leader of the Nazi party. The idea that “a leading American newspaper” would be trying to secure a picture of Hitler “back then” as von Schirach claimed, is pure fantasy and part of “The Hitler Myth” propaganda that the CBC is now reporting as truth and fact. And all of this in just the first 3 minutes of the documentary.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 7, 2010 at 8:46 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Why doesn’t the CBC have the time & money to do a show about Gandhi? A much more worthwhile effort.

  30. Allanjoined April 10, 2009
    Posted March 7, 2010 at 1:12 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    We’re only at the very beginning of this six part series. And since CBC management thought there was enough substance to carry it for a month and a half perhaps we can look forward to better episodes ahead.
    Better than the first episode.

    The CBC wants viewers for this documentary, and they’re hoping that people will talk about it, just preferably not with the CBC.
    PoonGirl has got the ball rolling and pointed to the more striking parts of the experience of watching these shows.
    The grammar is decidedly aimed to reach a young audience, and it’s obvious to everyone why George was chosen to help this project be more attractive to this group.
    An older audience can’t help but notice that his involvement is a marketing ploy, or that his strength has always been in dealing with personalities as compared to issues. So it’s bound to result in derision and ridicule when a “puppet” who is already bad at comedy is offered up to reciting the history of the most horrific atrocities of the last 80 years.
    The production was designed to help educators make their job easier, and there’s a deliberate effort made to “engage” an audience by offering prizes for creative responses.

    The words “love”, “hate” and “propaganda” could be applied to many different subjects and much more current ones than WWII, but it’s a lot safer to talk about foreign countries and events from long ago than issues which could raise the ire of the present government and potential advertisers.
    We all recognize that George is being used as a gimmick, and that it cheapens the experience considerably. It would have been different had the topic been one that seemed to matter personally or professionally, such as the history of punk or piercings. But this is how the CBC programs these days – blatant marketing and blatant pandering.
    George is used as the one youth symbol that fits all, once more reminding us that the CBC is just plain lazy, cheap and unimaginative. They resort to their immediate and limited talent pool, like Jian and Denise trying to put Michael Jackson’s sudden death into some kind of “perspective” when they have no deeper understanding than anyone else.
    George was a poor choice for such an horrific and serious subject.
    Matthew Good and many others could have brought far more, let’s say, gravitas and credibility to this project.

    The documentary itself was a good idea and useful, but the CBC doesn’t seem to realize that Strombo is considered light and frivolous and more suited to projects that are for entertainment rather than information. He fails at topics which require serious thought and reflection.

  31. Live in the Modern
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 11:33 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Do you not remember anything from your fancy Journalism school Anonymous @8:18pm?Maybe I’ve forgotten but always thought “The Medium is the message”.I can excuse anonymous 8:18 if he/she is from sticks and lacking in the COMMON knowledge that the CBC is not the only station you can see this banal propaganda/false educational on!
    The CBC just wasted another chunk of ur monies (if u pay taxes anonymous 8:18pm)on programming that you can find everywhere and anywhere in the Modern World!!Anonymous @8:18pm must live in the sticks/commune somewhere,sounds like the only T.V is at the gas station60k away?
    Maybe anonon8:18pm was exiled,that is the only excuse for such dribble!The other writer here was right “Why not have a documentary about the current wars?”
    Or even better why not have a documentary for the “Younger Viewer”about Haiti,Chile and all of the other devastated country’s!And if anonymous 8:18pm has a concern with younger Viewership the first thing that should be considered is a younger role model type announcer with bright and new ideas!

  32. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 10:54 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Anon @ 9:10: I was a history major. But I don’t know ALL there is to know. I was curious (and serious) to know if PoonGirl watched objectively and once thought to herself that she learned something of value. Instead she attacks the messenger.

    As for dumbing down history. Again look at the audience. CBC learning suggests the DVD is suitable for Grades 9-12. The narrative is geared to the ypunger end of the scale. Why are readers of this blog so stupid that they don’t get this ??????

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 6, 2010 at 11:38 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      If a show is produced for children, it should be marketed as such (Hey kids! A war show just for you!). Otherwise, viewers will assume a show is meant for an adult (& thus educated) audience.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 10, 2010 at 11:43 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      This does make sense. Georges late night talk show was a failure from day one, and hes very ill-suited for his Radio 2 show as well. He really doesnt have anywhere near the education level, experience, or the relevance to be able to do adult programming, and now it looks like theyre trying him as a childrens television personality. MuchMusic was aimed at an adolescent audience, or at least at an adolescent mentality, and it looks like theyre trying to take George back to something he was able to do well. The question is, is George still relevant to teenagers and adolescents? Any show hosted by George is a waste of my time to watch but I will be interested in seeing what the ratings and demographics turn out to be.

  33. They always look dirty
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:08 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Why is it that *all* of the cbc’s male announcers always look like they were found in a damp basement,inside a box.Have any of you ever noticed how most of the male anchors looks so used and dirty?What’s the cbc’s M.O for their male anchors,Strombo looked especially grubby for his propaganda Parade.Why didn’t he wear Hugo or a designer that supports his causes,it would have looked much nicer than his vintage trench war garb.

  34. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:06 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Dear Anonymous 7:42pm,

    Thank you for your comment. We are not just poking fun at who is hosting the documentary but we are disecting everything.

    Many good points have been made in the comments section.

    1) Since when did CBC gearing after a younger audience work. Since when did George bring in a younger audience… or an audience at all ?

    2) Why WW11 ? What about the wars we are fighting now ?

    3) The writing sucks ! I also noticed the part when Strombo said “Mouslini looked SHARP in his army fatigue”. “Hitler needed a friend”. I’m so glad someone reminded me this was said !

    4) If Jian hosted this it would be called “Mouslini and Me”.

    5) Hugo Boss loves Nazi’s.

    6) We are now holding a contest for the stupidest line in this documentary. Clearly, Musolini looked sharp is the winner for installment one.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:18 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Answer me this: did you watch and learn at least one thing about WWII you did not already know?

      People here are too fixated on George and not seeing the value the dic provides. Sad and typically pathetic.

      And to answer your question about why WWII: go read the doc website. It explains the significance of WWII with respect to what then, was new media. Please make an effort to see the VALUE in a project rather than twisting it’s content to suit your malicious views.

      • PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
        Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:37 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

        Answer me this: did you watch and learn at least one thing about WWII you did not already know?

        I learned that Moussolini looked SHARP in his military outfit.

        • Anonymous
          Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:44 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

          And why does that response not surprise me? It’s clearly over your head. I’ll move on. You stay exactly where you are.

          • Anonymous
            Posted March 6, 2010 at 9:10 pm | #

            You’d have to be a complete retard to have learned something from the CBC’s dumbing down of history. So I take it that you learned something? Please do share with the class.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 9, 2010 at 3:36 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Ah, this is a documentary about propaganda. Design elements, sharp uniforms, and media relations (ie Hitler holding back his photograph) are all relevant and important to any discussion about propaganda. It’s a form of advertising and manipulation, and looks count.

  35. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 7:42 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    As is often the case with this site, many miss the point. This doc was designed with a younger viewer in mind. The format illustrates this. Go to the doc site and consider the audience it is geared toward. The teaching of history is a dying art in this nation. Forget who is hosting the program and the dialogue and look at the content.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 6, 2010 at 8:39 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      It’s geared towards a stupid audience. The CBC thinks that younger = stupid. Nice.

    • Canadian person
      Posted July 16, 2010 at 11:15 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      *thank you* for mentioning that point. I was really beginning to wonder about these people here. I’m in a bit of shock that people on this site are talking about the host and his lingo when the message he’s trying to send is incredibly serious. Has anyone considered that *maybe* one is supposed to think about how propaganda affects the way one thinks and encourages a nation to go to war? How is that not relevant today? The above poster is right, the documentary is aimed at young people today but the message is still important and should be studied. How can anyone watch “Love, Hate and Propaganda” and not also evaluate how the messages in the documentary are presented?

      • Allanjoined April 10, 2009
        Posted July 17, 2010 at 6:28 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

        The “people on this site” provide important and much appreciated feedback to the CBC as to how its programming is perceived. The President of the CBC himself has said so publicly, while voicing some concern about the way that feedback is expressed.
        Some of the content on the CBC can be quite serious, but that in itself does not mean people are not allowed to voice their disaffection with how that content is presented.
        This show purports to be aimed at a younger audience, so it would be fair to question whether some of the horrific images shown are really appropriate for some age groups.
        An older audience already familiar with the history might choose to evaluate the effectiveness and accuracy of the presentation.
        I personally enjoyed the standard scene in every episode that shows George waddling toward the camera as he talks. It really helped to lighten the mood.

  36. Anonymous
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Let’s hear it for checking writing .. start here: http://twitter.com/

  37. Grumpy Old Journalist
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 11:19 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Journalism has at an all time low with Adolf Strombos Propaganda he regurgitated!

  38. Special Olympics Volunteer
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 2:09 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Nepotism,boss f*#kng&a** licking&kissing,using innocent women/men/animals.Georgie and Jianie should not be put on the same competitive level as something like the Special Olympics.The Special Olympics are games created for the TRUE heroes,not dirty OLD men posing as newly graduated YOUNG collage boys!

    • Fake Alex Trebek
      Posted March 6, 2010 at 7:45 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Hats off to you! It only took you one hour and three minutes after your first post to come up with this second clever missive.

      The spirit of Lister Sinclair lives on in you carefully crafted prose.

  39. Special Olympics Volunteer
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 1:03 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    we don’t as of yet have a completion for Nepotism,boss f*#k’ng&a** licking/kissing….when we do georgie and jianie will be the first chosen.

  40. Jeorge & Gian Strombohomoegipuss
    Posted March 6, 2010 at 12:34 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Look out for our name in lights!!!
    We’re not sure if it should be Jeorge and Gian or Gian and Jeorge!?
    Perhaps the just Strombohomo’s show,that may look the best in lights.
    We do have the Gian/Jeorge CBC logo decided on,and be affixed to the backs our matching HUGOBoss suits.Don’t u think it will be smashing deets?!
    We’re on twitter u can get all the details of our cross Canada musical extravaganza!!!!

  41. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 10:38 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Hugo Boss was the official supplier of Nazi uniforms, if any George fans are wondering why the Nazis looked “SHARP”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#History

    Hugo Boss started his clothing company in 1924 in Metzingen, where it is still based, a small town south of Stuttgart. However, due to the economic climate in Germany at the time Boss was forced into bankruptcy in 1930. Undeterred, Hugo set up a new business and in 1931 became a member of the Nazi party. With the rise of Adolf Hitler in 1933, Boss’s business also began to prosper as he became an RZM-licensed (official) supplier of uniforms to the SA, SS, Hitler Youth, NSKK and other Party organizations.

  42. Adolf Stroumboulopoulos
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:56 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    In keeping with George’s tasteless WWII documentary, next up on the CBC will be Jian Ghomeshi’s U.S. Civil War documentary “White On White For Black : The American Milquetoast War For The Liberation Of A People That I Refuse To Follow On Twitter”.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 9:27 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Jian will tell us that John Wilkes Booth was a famous actor before he shot Lincoln which makes it one of the only times in history that someone “iconic” assassinated someone who was also “iconic” which makes the assassination even more “iconic”.

  43. Won't believe the hype
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:38 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Why are the only people who believe in George,
    the only people who believe in George?
    And why do they keep telling ME that I need to believe in George?
    Because I don’t. And I’m tired of being told that I should.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 10:05 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Why was this even produced? Why not have a documentary on the current war we are fighting & dying for, George! No wonder George looks tired. No rest for the wicked.

  44. Humber College Professor
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:30 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    HAHAHAHAHA!!! LOVE IT!!!!

  45. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:10 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I worked in a new photo of George, lemme know what you think !

    I don’t really think it’s cool George is letting his own bias towards army fatigue get in the way of the narration. It’s tres unprofessional. Imagine this down the line being played to the youngsters in school. “So little Timmy what did you learn in history class today”. “I learned that Mouslini looked SHARP in his army fatigue, Mom.”

  46. Love, Hate and Stromboganda
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 7:56 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    ‘The guards at concentration camps “looked SHARP” in their military uniforms. The prisoners, however, had “NO fashion sense”, yet ironically they invented the “heroin chic” look that later became popular in 90’s fashion.’

    Yay! I can write for the CBC too!

  47. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    They should have called it “World War II for Dummies”.

    This picture would look good with that picture of “brooding George” :
    http://cdn2.overstock.com/images/products/muze/books/0764553526.jpg

  48. dogfart
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 5:19 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I’m going to fuck my boss. I hope she will give me a show, or at least a raise. Wish me luck!!

  49. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    We should have a little contest, picking out the stupidest writing errors as a fellow commenter has pointed out. It is as poorly written as it is narrorated.

    But Mussolini (pause) looked SHARP in his military outfit
    Hahaha.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 4:26 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Style over substance, right? Who cares about his insanity & psychopathy….he looked sharp (even when he was hanged?)

  50. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:52 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    In fact, that should be what George does: a motorcycle show, travelling around the country, trading stories and meeting with other Canadian bikers & maybe connect it with a magazine like Cycle Canada. Why have him floundering on The Hour? Enough with the celebrity schmoozefest.

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:05 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Traveling around the country? No, no, George is strictly a local Toronto guy. Hes what, 40?, and hes lived his whole life in Toronto. Toronto is his world, and he’s very much out of his element when he leaves it.

      • Anonymous
        Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:10 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

        That explains a lot!

        • Anonymous
          Posted March 5, 2010 at 3:44 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

          Better pitch this show to CTV…they might get someone who is comfortable outside of Toronto.

  51. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:51 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I would be interested in this kind of documentary, but I wont even bother trying to watch this one. I think CTV would have to do something like this for it to be of any quality. Its not so much that CTV has become great at producing Canadian programming either. Its more that the CBC has disappeared from the scene. I wonder what Shaw will do with Global? The CBC has left the door wide open for him as well.

    Oh, and George is not a hipster.

    • Anonymous
      Posted July 20, 2010 at 3:22 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      CTV???? laughable. Sad, sack of a channel that buys all it’s content from the U.S.

  52. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:26 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Maybe George should have discussed all of the great motorcycles that came out of WWII. Then we would have seen some excitement!

  53. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 10:49 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    What’s wrong with the special olympics? They celebrate the physical triumphs of people who face REAL challenges in life.

  54. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:57 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Teamakers. The special olympics of media criticism.

    • Pwn Grrl
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:11 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      Hey are you the genius who once referred to L’il Mosque as ‘down syndrome excrement’ in the comments section of this blog?

      You rock, man! It takes someone really special to be the most despicable commenter here!

  55. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:02 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Here’s a list of all the programs & courses offered at Humber College that start with the letter “H” ( as in “History”) :

    H
    Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Technician
    Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Technology
    Home Renovation Technician
    Horticultural Technician Apprenticeship
    Hospitality and Tourism Operations Management
    Hotel and Restaurant Management
    Human Resources Management

    http://www.humber.ca/content/full-time-programs#

  56. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 1:27 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    WWII seen through the eyes of a graduate of Humber’s Broadcasting – Radio diploma program (2 year course).

  57. PoonGirljoined December 31, 2009
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:58 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    You’re right about them trying to make WWII hipper and cooler with George. The writing does suck. What’s with all the fashion talk, is Jeanie Becker a consultant on the show now or something ? Mussolini looked stylin’ in his army fatigue, the hottest new trend while Hitler opted to wear an Armani suit since he was a vistitor and not in his homeland.

    Why not just say, Mussolini rejected Hitler as a friend on Facebook but Hitler can still view Mussolini’s profile due to his open privacy setting. Hitler also follows Mussolini on Twitter so he can retweet all his hot new ideas to his followers.

  58. Anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:15 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Don’t forget to follow Poonhatesyou on Twitter for more award winning journalism.

  59. anonymous
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:14 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    guess when you bang the boss they’ll throw all sorts of gigs your way. hour pushes on, test the nation, this thing

  60. Anonymous
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 11:55 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    This documentary is hilarious. The writing is horrible. George’s narration is laughable. His tone of voice is similar to that of a parent telling a toddler why he’s getting a time out.

    Some gems so far :

    “Goebbels loved Hitler (pause) but also hated JEWS.”
    “But Mussolini (pause) looked SHARP in his military outfit”
    “Right now (pause) Mussolini needs a friend”
    “So now (pause) Hitler and Mussolini had bonded”

    • Anonymous
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 12:41 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

      It’s nice that they’re trying to hip up WW2 for the younger generation by using modern lingo. I’m looking forward hearing about how Hitler “unfriended” Ernst Rohm and the S.A., how Neville Chamberlain was a “pussy” and a “douche” for signing the Munich Agreement and about how the war “went viral” after Japan “pwned” Pearl Harbor.

  61. Anonymous
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 11:31 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Blah blah blah. Change the channel. Get a life.


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