Conceit & Control

His introductions are unfailingly flattering, and filled with facts.
Yet it must be demeaning to have one’s life and accomplishments encapsulated the way he does with each guest. Wrapped up neatly like a subjective Wikipedia entry, written by Jian Ghomeshi.
He tries hard to immediately put everyone on notice that he’s smart. As if that were somehow really necessary for us to know.
And Jian is someone important, apparently to the CBC, and understandably in his own mind. Even though you won’t see billboards of his face all over downtown Toronto.
After only a few minutes in the presence of such an arrogant manner, a voice in the back of your head is asking him “who do you think you are?”

In the above clip. Jian backpeddles to save face in front of his audience.
No one tells him what to do. He’s the star. The one person the show can’t live without.

I wasn’t instructed to … I’m … I’m instruct … I’m not really instructed …

But Thornton is right, Jian was instructed. So Jian pretends to be more truthful, and trips.

The producers told me that you didn’t want to … eh … that they didn’t want to focus on questions around your acting career, etc. And I’m cool with that.

Yeah, we bet you’re cool with that, Jian, if you want to keep your glamorous job.
Even more bullshit, and covering up. Jian was clearly ordered not to talk about the acting career or movies. And he really did try. But he couldn’t help himself, because in his mind, he’s the most important guy in the room.Too important to be told what to do, either by a guest or a lowly producer.
Put yourself in Billy Bob’s position, sitting there while some punk who has never met you says things about you like …

he’s always intended to make music, he just got sidetracked … these days music is a major priority in his life …

Really, Jian? You’ve got a total stranger, an Academy Award winner even, and their life all figured out, eh?
More than ever, you want to ask him, who the fuck do you think you are?

67 comments:

  1. Anonymous
    Posted April 20, 2009 at 12:06 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Given what we all know now about his personality, my guess is that his own people – rather than the ceeb – made promises to him they couldn’t keep.

    To expect his hollywood career never to be mentioned, even as context, is beyond bizarre. Particularly since that’s the only reason he gets these sorts of interviews in the first place.

  2. Anonymous
    Posted April 20, 2009 at 11:57 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Ignored? Hardly. They had to pick up the slack.

    He wanted a band interview, rather than an acting interview, and that’s exactly what he had until he went all prissy.

    And I say this as a genuine Jian hater.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted April 20, 2009 at 11:40 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I also see it that way, Anonymous @ 12:27. Thanks for pointing that out.

  4. Anonymous
    Posted April 20, 2009 at 10:27 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    It appears to me that BBT was there purely as a member of the Boxmakers and as such wanted to be treated as a Band Member, pure and simple. Ghomeshi’s problem was that he ignored two members of the Boxmakers throughout the interview despite BBT reluctance to be solely questioned Ghomeshi kept on directing his Qs to the ‘movie star/director’. This is why BBT became unresponsive. Thats how I see it anyhow?

  5. T.D.
    Posted April 16, 2009 at 9:39 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Hmm.. what’s that sound?

    I believe it’s The Tea Makers jumping the shark..

  6. Allan
    Posted April 10, 2009 at 9:16 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I think that when you are the host of a national and publicly funded radio show that you should be expected to behave in a responsible manner.

    What Ghomeshi has done reflects on everyone at the CBC. It makes the operation look sleazy.
    It says that if a person like Billy Bob can’t trust the CBC then where does that leave the rest of us.

    You admit that you didn’t listen to or watch this interview very carefully, but you are so sure of understanding me and my protestations that there’s no hesitation in calling me hypocritical and a bitch.

    There’s something wrong with my logic?
    What answers do you have?
    Did the CBC make a deal with Thornton or did they not make a deal?
    Did the CBC keep their word or didn’t they?

    You don’t care that the CBC is lying, and that Ghomeshi made all of us look bad.
    In one way, we are the ones who gave Ghomeshi that radio show and are paying for it, and then have to watch him use it to screw over someone I happen to respect and admire.

    And it’s all fine with Hubert and George and Enright and Rogers.
    I don’t hear or see even one of them standing up and saying “that’s not how we do thinks at the CBC. That’s not how we treat people”.

    What I read is Ghomeshi saying “we don’t make deals. That’s our policy.”
    What I saw was a man who felt betrayed and cheated.
    And despite all the claims that he was stoned, drunk, etc etc, he looked and acted straight and sober in my view.

    You want to defend Ghomeshi, but would you trust him?

    Try listening again.
    Hear him deny that he was instructed.
    Hear him agree that the producers were instructed.

    It’s not my logic that’s at issue here.
    It’s the reputation of the CBC.

  7. Anonymous
    Posted April 10, 2009 at 7:32 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Allan – “If Thornton was so willing to exploit his celebrity to promote the band then why is he so insistent that his other achievements not be mentioned?”

    I think your hypocritical logic is more a sign of whats wrong with society today…

    What sort of mental gymnastics do you have to perform to somehow convince yourself that there can even be a semblance of equality regarding BBob and his bandmates ..? Not knocking the other guys musical abilities but I couldn’t remember thier names 5 seconds after Jian said them (if he even did).

    On one hand you say “RESPECT THE ACCOMPLISHED AMERICAN!!”.

    Yet on the other you say “But do not ask where that respect is derived from”.

    I say call a spade a spade, Jian did a great job and you’re just being a bitch.
    ———————————–
    On a side note, I wonder how Tom Petty reacted during some of his interviews for “The Postman”??

  8. Anonymous
    Posted April 10, 2009 at 3:50 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    It’s “backpedal”.

  9. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 10:35 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Instructing interviewers what can and can’t be mentioned? get real. This is bogus attempts for losers to control the media. If you could interview Hitler, you are telling me you would do it without mentioning his work with concentration camps and only discuss his musical career? CBC, don’t waste my time with the Boxmaster-bator, it’s all fat and burnt meat product, no gravy.

  10. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:44 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Allan who??

  11. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:43 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    1- if it’s true that someone at Q agreed to certain topics being off limits, then that person (and those who supervise him/her) needs to re-read the CBC’s policies regarding editorial control.

    2- even if it’s not true, one has to wonder why a half-baked musical act such as BBT (and highly embarassed band) deserved the lead slot on CBC Radio’s ‘flagship’ arts show in the first place.

    3- notwithstanding those bigger questions, Jian did more than hold his own with a highly hostile, and possibly impaired guest from Hell.

    4- outcome: BBT’s reputation takes a big hit, while JG is now better known outside Canada than he could have ever hoped to achieve on his own efforts.

    Oh, the irony.

  12. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:31 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    If Thornton was so willing to exploit his celebrity to promote the band then why is he so insistent that his other achievements not be mentioned?
    Should he have gone further and changed his name?
    He had a good reason to require that his movie career not be brought up.
    It’s to ensure that all band members are treated equally in public as much as possible, and to focus on the reasons for their passion about doing this kind of music.

  13. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:47 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    sorry…that’s “can’t”

  14. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:46 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    You can be just some dude from a little-known band AND get the star treatment.

    Handlers for big name entertainers regularly lay down ground rules for an interview (don’t ask about the gay rumours, she doesn’t talk about her new hair, etc) and producers usually follow them or risk not being able to re-book the guest or anyone else sharing the same representation.

    This only holds for big names though and if Billy insisted on that treatment for the band he claims plays “places where people throw stuff at each other” (which BTW is ridiculous) it only shows what an out of touch DB he really is.

  15. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:37 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    lol

    Jealous much?

  16. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:25 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    As Jian implied: Thornton–and everyone in the room–knew full well that an utterly mediocre, newborn rockabilly band would never get attention/an interview if Thornton was not in the band. Billy Bob is fully willing to exploit the ‘in’ his celebrity provides, but is unwilling to acknowledge it verbally? Bitch, please.

  17. Fake Greg Godovitz
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 4:47 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I should have been hosting that show. I’d be all like, so let’s talk music.

    Tell us more about your drum kit, Billy Bob.

  18. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 4:02 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    If there was indeed some kind of verbal agreement, how would it have transpired?

    “Do not in ANY way mention ANYTHING to do with BBT being an actor/screenwriter.”

    If (big “if” here) *THAT* was the agreement,I could see CBC being in the wrong.

    But, in all probability, it went something like this:

    “BBT would like the focus of the interview to be on his music rather than past acting career.”

    Ergo, Jian fulfilled any stupid conditions that were or weren’t verbally or non-verbally agreed upon.

    Conclusion BBT is a MEGA douchetard and I have to sympathize with Jian, who to me seemed extraordinarily composed. Good job.

    Allan: use some simple common sense.

  19. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:53 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    With all due respect to Allan and the other posters on here,and surprising as it may seem, I’m actually starting to get a little bored by this whole sorry saga. So let’s agree that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of wht you think of it. That, after all, that is the essence of opinions. Is it not?

    Besides which, my girlfriend is having the girls over for dinner and I wouldn’t want to appear rude by disappearing every so often. Now would I?

    Have to confess that I can’t wait to read the reviews of the concert tomorrow morning though. Maybe we’ll discuss them tomorrow! ;o)

  20. Brunoe Girouxssi
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:49 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    He ought to have been schooled.

    But he wasn't, Dwight. He was prodded, then aloof-ly diminshed in true, lemon-sucking, sour'n'dour ® Upper Canadian/Big Smoke style.

    Jian did the bare minimum to escape on a verbal lifeboat, wearing a babushka on his head a la William S. Burroughs.

    If this is as good as the Q crew can do, that really says something about lowered audience expectations.

    Mostly, we're all suckers for giving Jian – and Allan – and most of all Billy Bob so much (grab your puke buckets) 'Play' on this truly Canadian gaffe and practical amusement.

  21. Dwight Williams
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:29 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Sorry, but I’m standing with the Ghomeshi supporters on this one. Thornton did no schooling. At all. He ought to have been schooled.

  22. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:20 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Has Allan changed his name to Anonymous? :o)

  23. littlemissPhD
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:18 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Sorry, but I have to agree with Allan on this one.

  24. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:06 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I am totally with ALLAN on this. 100 percent.
    i used to be a host. i know how it works.
    jian is an ass. he got what he deserved. stupid questions get stupid answers.
    willy nelson, willy nelson, willy nelson. get a fucking question list.
    and bad producing to leave him hanging out there.
    real pros have exit strategies when shit goes south.

    real pros don’t book people with conditions.

  25. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:56 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Hang in there, Allan.

    A) As mentioned above and agreed to by you, yes, it’s wrong to let conditions be placed on the interview. And we agree that if someone doesn’t like being asked to accept conditions, they should say refuse, and thus choose not to give any exposure to those who tried to place the conditions upon you.

    Come on, folks…If you say yes just to get an interviewee into your studio, then YOU’RE the ones wanting publicity, not the seeker…plus, if you then break the agreement (and what BBT asked for is not exactly an uncommon request among multi-hyphenates), then you deserve whatever you get on-air…and if the interviewee reacts badly to it, well…it’s not as though they don’t have some cause.

    B) Jian’s a douchebag who’s full of himself. Shame on the CBC for sticking up for their own instead of acknowledging that they accepted conditions. But no, then they’d have to admit that they were wrong, and this could never happen.

    If this had happened at an American radio station (any of the public or commercial stations I’ve worked at, anyway), we wouldn’t have accepted conditions in the first place. And if for whatever reason we had, I’d fire the announcer who broke it in a heartbeat. No one announcer can ever be allowed the right to damage the credibility of the entire organization. Anyone who disagrees with this should try promising free products or services to their own employer’s clients, and see how management feels about them doing so without authorization.

    I think you are right in your comments, as it seems both that Jian’s a moron, AND that you are trying to hold the CBC to a higher standard. Seems clear to me!

  26. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:54 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Well good to see that you’re open to the possibility that you might be wrong. Classy.

    But the point that you, are missing is that Jian Ghomeshi didn’t talk about BBT’s acting career. He merely mentioned it in the introduction. Do you not think it would have been extremely odd if he hadn’t?

  27. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:52 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    wow, simply following this Billy Bob story a bit, I certainly didn’t expect to stumble upon some sort of Jian/CBC grudge site…

    How anyone can claim that the interviewer was at fault in that situation is absurd!

    Whoever is running this site needs to seriously give their head a shake, and realise they’re wasting their days with this obscure-radio-personality-hating shit.

  28. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:43 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    So Arnold contradicts both men who agree that the CBC was indeed “instructed not to talk about shit like that”.

    So they are both wrong, and only Arnold knows the true facts.
    How odd.
    Publicists wouldn’t play games with words, would they?

  29. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:28 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Ummm, this article, amongst others:

    http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/04/billy-bob-thorn.html

    The key part of which is what Arnold Robinson, Billy Knob’s publicist, has to say:

    Robinson confirms that while it’s true Thornton does not like to be asked about his movie career while he’s out promoting his band, Ghomeshi was never “instructed” to avoid the topic. “Bottom line: We don’t tell people what questions they can or cannot ask,” Robinson says.

    How’s that?

  30. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 2:18 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I checked out Billy Bob’s band on youtube. They pretty much suck – not a lot of innovation there. I think a lot of Billy Bob’s ire stems from a lack of self confidence.

    He’d be much better off conceding that it’s a kind of a sideline or a new direction for him and starting from scratch. He wants all the glory of being a music industry primadonna and the perks that surround it – like smoking outside the white lines, or having someone in your entourage to tote the drums around, but he’s also got some half-assed explanation of why he can’t rock.

    “Yes, I am a rocker, but, well, I’m not ready to rock at this moment, but you all know who I am. Just don’t say how you know me.”

    You can see some way cool examples of questions that Billy Bob was comfortable answering … here like covering the Beatles.

    Stick to marina cleaning, Billy Bob! I mean, filmmaking.

  31. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 1:58 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I see and hear William Robert Thornton saying
    “the producer was instructed “
    and Jian saying
    “Right.”

    The agreement seems to me to be implicit once the band members sit down.

    I’m basing this on what the two participants are saying here.
    What are you basing your “no agreement” on?

  32. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 1:33 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    So Allan, anything to say about your absolute conviction that there was an agreement which, we now know,there wasn’t? Shame that your attempt to validate and highlight your argument with such stunning use of italicized and bolded type has merely made you look like you don’t have a clue what you’re rattling on about.

    Oh, but we already knew that didn’t we?

  33. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    To Anonymous (see 2:16 pm). Actually I’m nothing of the sort I just happen to be a big fan of “Q” and that is merely my personal opinion of its host. But you just might be Billy Knob after writing an infantile, snarky post like that.

  34. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Hmmm.. Several news sources discussing this topic state that BBT’s spokesperson Arnold Robinson says that Jian and thus CBC were never instructed to NOT talk about his movie career but that BBT doesn’t like it being discussed when talking about his music ( which career is more prominent and has been his main career longer?)
    My question is why do people who love music so much always wind up doing well in movies and only then can they move back to making music? If you love it, do it or suck it up.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30138866/

  35. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:16 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    “extremely knowledgeable, personable, and entertaining radio host as Jian Ghomeshi.”

    LOL…. spot the insider. If Jian didn’t write this, someone from “Q” did, or one of the three fans of Moxy Fruvous.

  36. JRL
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:07 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Well Allan in you’re pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible you show yourself to be every bit as much of a moron as Billy Knob. As to your suggestion on the NY Times site that 60 minutes should “Please take Ghomeshi off our hands and rid our country of this vain, incompetent poseur” you show you’re just as infantile and clueless as your hero. Canada would actually be much better off without the likes of you rather than losing and extremely knowledgeable, personable, and entertaining radio host as Jian Ghomeshi.

  37. Annika
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 11:35 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Ummm…BBT is lucky to be getting exposure on a show like Q. Have you actually listened to his music?
    it’s not that good. Tom Petty he definitely *ain’t*!
    “Angelina…Can you feel it?”

    What a giant hungover baby.

  38. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 10:22 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I’d just like to add my two cents as well.
    I’m no fan of Jian but BBT was being an egotistical dork. He may have talents in the acting sphere (but let’s not go there…) but in music,he really is just another member of a band passing through town.
    And Allan, Tea Makers used to have integrity of a sort.
    Do us a favour and return it to that state. Go AWAY!

  39. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 9:58 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    So is Jian out to get you too Allan, just like Tod Maffin? Is it time for the tin foil hat?

  40. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 9:44 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    The face that you DEFEND Billy Bob Thornton makes me think your a big a joke as the so-called “musician”. The interviewer was building up the story and referencing what he did in his past, its called INTERVIEWING! And he has interviewed some of the top bands in the world, so he obviously see’s BBT as a joke as well, as he should. BBT is nothing but a METH HEAD who want to be a rock star. He is delusional because the music SUCKS ASS! Seriously, can’t believe he would defend this PUNK! I’ve met him personally and his ego is A LOT BIGGER than any other part of his “career”. Give be a fucking break!

  41. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 9:15 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Allan

    stick to talking about marina cleaning, when you talk about radio you just fall on your face over and over.

  42. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 8:53 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    That is indeed a valid observation, @ 10:01
    BUT the CBC did agree, and that’s the point and that’s why the problem arose.
    They eagerly compromise journalistic principles because it’s just phony, typical show business.
    The booking agents call the shots, according to the wishes of the artists/celebrities.
    And both Jian and George will readily cooperate and even justify it as being necessary.
    Because they are really just props, faceless nobodies that act as MC’s for the main act that everyone came to see.

    But are these types of shows also putting conditions on the artists?
    I’m beginning to suspect that there’s also something even more nefarious happening behind the scenes.
    When you hear phrases like “Leonard Cohen exclusive” or “Galloway’s only media interview”, it brings to mind the approach taken in the US by shows like Leno and others that if a guest is going to appear on a telecast they must agree not to go on other shows for a set time frame. “we want the whole thing to ourselves, or no deal”.
    Is The Hour making such demands? And depriving other TV channels from accessing “stars” and public figures of interest?
    Think that’ll be my next question for George.

  43. lisasj
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 8:26 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I generally find Allen’s rants on here unnecessarily catty and poorly argued.

    This is no exception. Kudos to Jian.

    Lisa Johnson

  44. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 8:13 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Ultimately, Jian didn’t care about the band and their music. As a listener, I’d like to know if the band’s any good, if the music is worth listening to. Otherwise, let’s interview a decent Canadian band plugging their new album. Let’s face it, Jian had only one agenda – that was to add “interviewed Billy Bob Thornton ” to his resume. Hosts like Jian are not there to help promote others – they’re in it for themselves – very para-masturbatory…

  45. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 8:01 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Allan you’re completely off the mark here.

    The point is not that producers and hosts should honour agreements made with publicists, it’s that they should NEVER make them in the first place.

    If Billy Bob Thornton’s publicist says “he really just wants to talk about the album”, the producer should be honest and say that we need to talk about his whole career. If they’re not willing to submit to a real interview, they don’t get air-time.

    If you agree to conditions on an interview, you are damaging the credibility of your profession and making every other producer’s job harder. Don’t do it.

    Publicists should also know better than to put people on press tours who don’t want to do real interviews. I don’t think Billy Bob did himself any favours with this one. If you don’t want to have a normal conversation, don’t get in front of a microphone.

  46. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:44 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Be graceful in the face of someone who has swindled you?

    I’ll bet you that today Ghomeshi is blaming the “producer” of that segment for a “miscommunication”, and wallowing in the adulation of a thousand morons.
    Yet a copy of the opening script was obviously in the control room and had been approved by more than one person.
    So Jian claims that it’s OK to break an agreement because the audience for Q is so stupid and uninformed that if you mention the name Billy Bob Thornton they’re going to go “Huh?” and so they need “context”.

  47. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:25 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I think the issue is less “integrity” and more basic decency. If Billy Bob didn’t like the tone of the interview, he could have gracefully steered it the way he wanted it to go. Instead, he embarrassed his bandmates and made their music less important than his own ego.

    No one is talking about the music now, are they? So much for BB’s integrity.

  48. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:23 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Would’ve been funny if Billy Bob had turned it around and brought up…
    Moxy Früvous

  49. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:16 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Let’s compare Michael Enright with mr. moxy frivolous.
    Don’t you, in your heart, want to learn from people who have genuine character and depth?
    I’ll follow Billy any day of the week.
    ( simply astounding that so many people want to take the position that Jian has more integrity than Billy Bob Thornton. Choices like that are what make the country such an utter embarrassment. )

  50. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:13 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I’m thinkin’ Ghomeshi stole your crayons or something. You’re sounding crazy-bitter, and not rational.

  51. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:10 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    LOL @ Allan defending Billy Bob’s right to be a douchebag.

    You get more and more quixotic daily.

  52. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 7:03 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    There was a verbal contract, was there not?
    And was it not agreed to far in advance of this appearance?
    But only seconds into it, Jian sits in front of a highly respected artist and tells Thornton what’s important to him, the artist, then tries to bullshit his way out of it.
    And you’re falling for this?
    You and 1600 other people.
    The herd mentality of simpletons.

  53. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:56 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Enough, Allan, come clean. What’s your personal beef with Ghomeshi?

  54. Donn Herrin
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:54 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Hmmm. Egomaniacs offering up usesless, poorly researched garbage to the public in an attempt to ingratiate themselves.

    Please welcome Q’s new co-host, Allan!

  55. Megan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:43 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Allan, you’re just being silly. I’m no fan of Jian, but let’s not pretend that there was some sort of broken contract here. If Thornton hadn’t brought it up, there would have been no talk of acting at all: it was a throwaway line in the intro to provide context. He could have spent the next twenty minutes impressing us with his musical expertise; he chose not to.

  56. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:25 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    oh allan….

    1 – you don’t write contracts for interviews.

    2 – no questions were asked about acting. So whatever agreement there might have been was met.

  57. Allan
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:18 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Did the CBC not give their word and agree to the conditions laid out by the band in return for the drawing power of yet another American celebrity?
    And once they were seated in the studio, did Jian not break that agreement, simply because he thought himself so important that contracts don’t matter?
    And when Jian had been clearly told not to bring up the movie biz (out of respect for the other band members) did he not try to fudge the facts by dancing around the truth with made up paraphrasing like “That you didn’t, that they didn’t, want to focus on questions around …” and even worse, the outright lie “I’m not really instructed …”.
    What total pretentious BS.
    Now some of you people want to convince yourselves that Jian is some kind of hero?
    And some of you, who quite possibly work at the CBC, also take the view that this show is some complicated radio production that only a few people could do.
    You think anyone is buying that?
    There’s a dozen people I know who could have waltzed through that interview, and written out the questions in ten minutes. Even Tod Maffin is a genius with his production skills compared to the effort it takes to produce this show.
    Fact is, with Q, The Point and The Hour, the CBC has become a juvenile content provider, and the biggest joke in broadcasting.

    Show Thornton the door?
    They’re lucky they got air time?

    No clue whatsoever how the game actually works, and what unpatriotic cowards these people are in trying to draw listeners by standing on the reputations of accomplished people like Thornton. Accomplished American people!

  58. Malachi Constant
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 6:01 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    The mere sound of Ghomeshi on my radio sends me screaming for the ‘off’ button. However, it’s clear that Thornton is the dick here. He should have been shown the door (on-air) and the ‘normal’ band members could have continued the interview. They’re lucky they got the airtime.

  59. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:45 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Yes, Allan, the anti-Ghomeshi stuff: a bit weird and out of control. Take it up with your shrink.

  60. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:44 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    The CBC can’t afford “greens” any more.

    We use “margin of newspapers-backs of envelopes” now.

    Sometimes there is an error in the system.

  61. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 5:12 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Why was this Z-list band even on a CBC arts show? Arts coverage has really sunk in the past few years.

    Also, “wrapped up neatly like a subjective Wikipedia entry, written by Jian Ghomeshi“?

    Oh, Allan, you think Ghomeshi writes his own intros and outros? Do you even know what “greens” are? Please stick to subjects you know something about.

  62. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 4:03 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Regardless of who is the bigger asshole, Princess Jian or Hillbilly Bob, doesn’t anyone wonder what business this “c” showbiz/celeb horseshit is doing on the national public broadcaster.

  63. Mr. Right Wing Asshole to you.
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 3:49 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    After watching the altercation, I wish Jian had simply shown BBT the door, instead of attempting to placate his ego.

  64. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:46 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Jian smart ? When did that start ? Social climber and suck-up to match any in private radio ? Absolutely. And surely you don’t believe he writes this stuff – clearly you’ve never been a radio producer.

    BBT just upped Q’s profile 1000% by saying what 90% of musicians think every time they sit down with a public radio host. But shame on him, it’s like taunting a kitten.

    Moxy Lady in Mission

  65. Anonymous
    Posted April 9, 2009 at 12:35 am | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    I would have to agree that Jian did a great job and is generally a good host. I was also shocked to see that you couldn’t find anything good to say. Do you just hate the whole fucking world? I think your take on this is just sad.

  66. Allan
    Posted April 8, 2009 at 10:59 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    How could it be otherwise? I used to read Famous Monsters of Filmland myself. Made a model of Dracula. Began learning at an early age what sucks.

  67. Anonymous
    Posted April 8, 2009 at 10:40 pm | # | Reply to this masterpiece

    Why am I not surprised at this, Allan?

    This story has generated more online comments in more places than anything CBC related in recent memory. More than a thousand already, on CBC.ca, Inside CBC, the National Post, even TMZ… oh, and your own linkfarm.

    And on even the most right wing and pissy of those forums, 95% of commenters agree that Jian did a remarkable job, and BBT is simply an asshole.

    But noooo…. not you, Allan. Gotta use this soapbox to grind your axes no matter what.

    Honestly, the fact that after watching this, you identify with the sulking, deranged jerkwad says everything I need to know about you.

    I’ve followed Teamakers since its inception, and until recently still believed that it held to its goal of holding CBC to a higher standard instead of tearing it down. Not buying anymore. Sad, really.

    Say it out loud, people: Allan sides with Billy Bob Thornton. Remember it. Who the fuck do you think *you* are?


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